George Michael: Who has had him?

Did you ever encounter George Michael? What was he like? Did you hookup? Anyone meet him while cruising? Was he a top or a bottom? Did he want your sex? What year was it? Was he still beautiful or fading away? Was he in his skinny phase or going fat? Was he sober or high? Was he a good kisser? Was he a nice person? Tell us about George. Please!

So no one here has any tea to spill????

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So no elder gays here ever encountered George? Or did you and are just opposed to sharing? Or is everyone in the know sleeping.

^ Hey, there's 7 billion people in the world MOST did not have sex with George Michael.... However, Elton John DID have sex with at least half the world

R6 I agree. But of those 7 billion people in the world, surely hundreds did have encounters with George and surely some of them are on DL??? How Elton got around so much I'll never know! I don't care so much about what Elton has done, though it's painful that George is no longer here and Elton is.

We got naked and talked about headbands.

Michael was addicted to GHB. He was found once asleep in his car at a stop light.

Why was he addicted to GHB? Isn't that a rape drug? Did he want to be raped? I don't understand.

GHB is also a party drug that can produce feelings of euphoria, relaxation and sociability. It's also known as 'liquid xtc'

Around 2003 - 2005 my husband used to see him all the time at The Club bathhouse in Fort Lauderdale.

I love him - he was so beautiful and what a voice!

George was probably too doped up most of the time to be capable of much.

He was not good looking at all, in my opinion. Andrew Ridgeley was much cuter (back then at least).

Poor sex addict. Product of his gay time when seeing public bathrooms and drugs were promoted or at least normalized. He was really not at fault.

R17 "He was really not at fault."

He was 100% at fault. No one forced him.

I love George. He was a talented artist but he was fucked up and self-destructive. Hooking up with him at a bathhouse or in a bathroom - that's not sexy at all. He just seemed sad and depressed, and I wouldn't want my memory of meeting George Michael to be hooking up with him in a toilet.

He was a toilet trader.

I saw him a few times at Cherry in the 90s in WeHo. This was before he got arrested for sucking the cop's cock.

For wanting to suck the cop's cock, R21. There was no follow through, obviously.

GHB is not a rape drug no matter how much people peddle that story. GHB has a horribly salty taste you cannot disguise. The precursor - GBL is worse. It has a strong chemical taste even highly acidic juice like orange cannot disguise. There is almost no chance someone can sneak it in a drink. In small doses, it is just like alcohol, resuces anxiety, stress, maked you more social, - too much of it and you pass out - which is where people call it rape drug.Most people use it inplace of drinking to save the calories.

I encountered him once at a studio session (I was an assistant engineer at the time). It was only very briefly, and my memory of it is that he was very intelligent - more knowledgable as a producer and arranger than other artists. He was using fairly complex terminology.

I have no gossip though, he was pretty quiet and just got the job done. It was probably only for about 3 hours and I didn't get to actually speak to him much beyond being introduced.

GHB sucks, I can't imagine anyone being addicted to something that makes you feel like a Zombie

Well, I once encountered him at a deli near Regent's Park. I already told about this here at DL. He was quiet, waited his turn.

End of story.

[quote] Poor sex addict. Product of his gay time

We all were. I certainly was.

[quote] more knowledgable as a producer and arranger than other artists.

Brilliant arranger. Listen to his tracks carefully.

He seemed like a polite fellow in interviews.

From what people are posting here, George seemed like three very different men. 1.) The highly intelligent, polite, somewhat quiet and technically gifted introvert who was also an artist 2.) the performer 3.) the drug addicted sex addict dick pig who blew rando strangers in parks and bathrooms. Depending on where and how you met him, you met one of these 3 very different versions of him, all of which are likely true. But which was the real George and what the hell happened to splinter him this way? He was so beautiful, so talented, so many people loved him, he could have had just about anyone. For the most part, he chose to be with losers, which is probably why no one here will say they had him, even if they had. Many people who hooked up randomly with him didn't even know who he was, especially near the end.

I haven't had him but I did stand next to him many, many years ago. He was fucking short. I looked his height up on google and he's listed at 6 foot which is just not true.. I 5 10 and he was at least half a foot less than me in shoes. He ddi have really lush, thick 80s hair though.

[R25], I know what you're saying. It's also dangerous because you can pass out instantly. It's like drinking a fifth of spirits all at once. I cannot understand its vast appeal.

R29, what probably happened was some sort of trauma, which led to addiction. Addicts often compartmentalize their lives, so I would venture that all three of those versions of him were the real George. Leading a closeted life only added fuel to the fire.

He was my ideal type of guy when he was young. I liked everything about him, from the tips of his hair to what I could imagine were his feet. Unfortunately, I only saw him in concert, but he smiled at me. I had to have a groupie look at him for him to see me in the crowd. And I'll keep that devastating smile in my soul. I'm not sure I would have had a good memory of him lining up to be fucked in a bathroom. That smile, it stays with me forever.

[quote]the drug-addicted sex addict dick pig who blew rando strangers in parks and bathrooms.

That's the George I liked the best.

I haven’t had him but I did encounter him once in a Sydney sex club (he was in town to perform at Mardi Gras). I was wandering the corridors when the door to a cubicle opened and it was George. Then some dizzy queen behind me shrieked “oh my god it’s George Michael!!” to which George replied “NOT NOW!” and slammed the door again.

I'm sorry things didn't end well for him but I never understood his appeal.

I would have been his father figure.

I think MAYBE what messed him up was finding a man he really like (the Brazilian) and getting the virus. Then he lost the guy he apparently really loved and then started living with wild abandon ...

We'll never know what prompted his addictions and reckless behaviour but it was really sad to see him basically live out his death wish in public. He seemed to do everything to NOT take care of himself. It was really sad.

George really seemed to be his worst enemy. He wasted a lot of time and hurt his career with his lawsuit with Sony.

I think Greeks are litigious and tend to fight stuff, R40.

R27 spot on re: arrangements. I particularly like what he did with "Precious Box". Real clever.

R30 that cannot have been GM — He was a tall bloke at 1.85 (6ft-something?), same height as me.

Clinical depression and self medicating with drugs, alcohol and sex, is what I imagine was his problems. Just a guess.

He seemed to have a thing for not-particularly-attractive guys so anyone who admits to having had him is pretty much admitting to being an uggo.

I wonder why GM was into unattractive men for hookups? His long-term partners were attractive when they were with him, so GM must have been cruising for unattractive men while in a relationship with an attractive man. What would motivate that?

He was self-destructive, but he was a wonderfully kind man and a great friend.

Throughout his life he made substantial donations to charities. He gave the royalties from Jesus to a Child to the UK charity Childline, which helps children suffering from bullying and abuse. He gave the royalties from Don’t Let The Sun Go Down On Me to an AIDs charity.

He would phone a London Radio station each year at precisely 3.30 on the day of their charity appeal and make £100000 donation to help deprived children.

He funded IVF treatment for a woman he saw lose money on a quiz show. She only found out who had given her the cash years later, after his death.

He was a good man. It’s a great pity that he was unhappy.

R45, Self-loathing is possibly the reason.

[quote] Or did you and are just opposed to sharing?

Why should I share here when I can share it on some other site and be paid a fee to do so,

Cock = Cock for some..

Not that hard to fathom, gurls.

I emailed Billy Masters ages ago when George came out and asked what he knew about him.

He said that he ‘had no body’ at all, but he was so sweet natured that everyone loved him. Plus, he was generous to his men.

I had him once. Quick. Very much Wham, bam, thank you ma’am.

[quote]I think MAYBE what messed him up was finding a man he really like (the Brazilian) and getting the virus. Then he lost the guy he apparently really loved and then started living with wild abandon ...

The above plus losing his mother to cancer.

Read once here on DL a guy in Australia said he answered an online hook-up and found GM in a hotel room. Gave GM (average uncut) oral. Job done they parted amiably.

Also read on DL about GM not too long before the end being at masked orgies. Everyone knew who he was, no fuss made.

This guy has been dead for years! Why all the interest now? If he was sucking cocks in public bathrooms he obviously got off doing anonymous shit. Even if they recognized him, those guys are not usually the kiss and tell type, so most of his escapades we'll never know about.

R46 This is the true pity of it. So many super stars aren't nice people. In fact, they're mean as hell & get away with it due to fame & fortune. The public never knew while George was alive how much he was helping people in private. George was another artist who had that self destructive streak. He took the long route the same as Capote & many others. It takes about 20 years to complete a slow suicide. The artist to beat for this is Bill Evans who had the slowest suicide in the world of jazz. George is the biggest loss of talent to me. No one had a voice like his & not just that but the ability to make you really feel whatever song he was singing.

On the sex with strangers I think it was a way to almost dehumanize himself. Cops found a gimp mask in the car on one of his arrests. He could have just put a bag over his head with the same effect of wiping himself out as a person while having sex. At that point he was just a non-entity.

You might MARY! me for this, but GM reminds me of Chris Farley. Farley was talented, kind, generous, but he didn't love himself, either.

That's true about Farley. A shame he died so young too . I guess he wanted to go out like Belushi and so he did.

Well Fadi Fawaz had him and he seems to be a right mess.

I do remember a datalounger who was lucky enough to have slept with Falco in the early 2000s.

Loved him, such a talent. His music still holds up, I wish I would have seen him perform. He also had a funny, self deprecating side - his small roll on Extras with Ricky Gervais was brilliant. RIP GM, much ❤️.

My friend bumped into him in a hotel steam room back in 2007. It was quite a shock because it happened in Eastern Europe. GM was touring at the time and was about to have a show in town. My friend says he was friendly, funny and approachable. He even offered show tickets for my friend and his friends. They were great seats, the show was fun and overall it was a very memorable experience.

I visit a pop forum and one of the members said that he used to know George socially. I have no reason to not believe this person because they are quite wealthy and have industry connections.

He said George was very nice but also liked to gossip about female performers. Would have loved to hear him dish about Bananarama, Madonna, or Whitney.

He's charming in this clip with Ricky Gervais

[quote]Then some dizzy queen behind me shrieked “oh my god it’s George Michael!!” to which George replied “NOT NOW!”

LOL. Oh the humanity. I think I know the sex club you're referring to. Hardly the first celeb to be seen there. I remember one night an unbelievably gorgeous blond English lad dressed in a wet-look rubber one-piece rocked up looking for a mouth to piss in and caused a Marx Brothers Duck Soup crowd jam.

I have no idea what r64 just said.

I love how r1 is bitching 10 minutes after the thread was started that there wasn’t any tea.

Hello, hello is anyone out there? I'm thirsty for another cup of tea!

Im firmly convinced he started self destructing after he became poz. He seemed to maintain pretty well most of his life,then BAM. I knew more than one person who went off the deep end when they found out they were poz. I still love most of his music,and I still miss him. He ws such a huge part of my youth.

[quote] he started self destructing after

I think he started after he became more English than Greek.

He adopted English self-deprecation and the English habit of self-defeating.

R70 His Greek-Cypriot Father left a British ruled territory for England in the 1950's, he then married an English woman had children and lived in Kingsbury and Radlett (which is on Roman Watling St).

You couldn't achieve a more English upbringing if you tried.

I wonder if George would be alive and well today if he just stayed in the family business and ran a Greek restaurant like his father?

Has it ever been confirmed he was HIV-positive? I know it's been a rampant rumor for years, but do we know for sure?

[quote] I visit a pop forum and one of the members said that he used to know George socially.

I think I know which forum you're referring to and what member. Is the said member also Greek?

[quote] more English upbringing

R71 I'm one of those who believe it takes a few generations for a family to lose its blood heritage.

I think the better question to ask is how was he not HIV positive?

I don't think it has been confirmed whether he was poz, but the whole world knows he was an out of control whore. He was a shell of who he was and wasn't gonna be long for this world once he went down that path. It's sad.

Being rich, famous and talented cannot shield you from the human failings that many experience.

I’m troubled by the grammar of the OP. “Who has had him?” makes it sound like it’s still possible to have him. I would’ve gone with “Who had him?”

Am I wrong?

You are right, R79, and we should respect those who have gone before us.

He was soft all over and hairy in the wrong places and he smelled bad. Like cold sweat. His fuckhole was brown and his ass was cold to the touch. The dick was nothing, with that cheese curd look of uncut inconsequentials. He liked being fisted on Crack and Meth. And sucking dick. But he wasn't good at it.

He was sexually unhappy. Only furtive things turned him on but he didn't have the skills or the imagination to enjoy anything too dirty. Spoiled arrested development gay boy. Textbook. He really wanted to fuck his mom, I think.

R24, please start a thread on your life in the recording industry!

R81 Wow!

The one thing gays should always have is good sex. We give up a lot and go through a lot for it.

Sorry about the grammar on my post. I have been sufficiently chastised and will attempt to do better in the future.

R76 Thing is Cyprus is not part of Greece, it's an Independent Country with a strong British influence.

George overplayed his 'Greek' heritage at certain times.

I’m troubled by the grammar of the OP. “Who has had him?” makes it sound like it’s still possible to have him. I would’ve gone with “Who had him?” Am I wrong?

No, nothing wrong with OP's grammar

r81 Sounds like clinical depression

I think it's pretty established that George was a depressive. I'd say it was in the extreme. It's unfortunate that I don't believe he ever felt it was truly okay being gay. I know he was a so-called gay icon who spoke up for the rights of gay people after he was outed. It was all on the outside as inside it was a different story for him. If he had been a straight man I think he would still be here. Very distressing coming to this conclusion, but I think this is the fact of the matter.

Not that it was anyone's business but not only did we never find out if he was Poz, but his family really kept the results of his toxicology results after his death a well-guarded secret.

R89 Sadly that is the story of many gay men (especially during that time period). They say they are ok but engage in lots of self-destructive behavior because they are at war on the inside with who they are.

George's body always was a challenge for him, wasn't it? On the verge of sloppy and fat. And his lack of endowment tortured him.

He had a very cute face though. At least when he was younger…

R94 George was cute but always seemed very feminine to me. I couldn't believe so many girls wanted him.

You can get away with being kinda "girlie" when you are young. Some (women and men) will be attracted to a young fem guy if he has a cute face but as he ages, not so much.

As George's face aged and his body gained weight, he stopped getting the same reactions he got when he was younger. I would imagine that can be jarring.

George also had a killer smile, to me it was his best feature (beside that beautiful voice).

It was widely known on the London gay scene that he cruised on Hampstead Heath, years before he came out. Nobody went to the papers. I felt sorry for him. Talented, handsome, multi-millionaire with every possible opportunity available to him, and he was chasing anonymous cock in the dark and the mud.

[quote]chasing anonymous cock in the dark and the mud

The antithesis of glitzy glamour, which therefore had a rough transgressive thrill all its own. GM wanted to be with his tribe in a primal way.

A thrill felt by many not necessarily millionaire superstars - though that contrast must have heightened GM's buzz like a drug.

R98 Sadly mostly closeted men do that - or men who like the thrill of being with a closeted man.

R90 I'd be very surprised if drugs were not found in his body. He supposedly spent some 18 months in a high class Swiss drug rehab. The public is just never going to know the full story. He should have stopped smoking cigarettes after almost dying from pneumonia but didn't. I feel bad for him that he could never get a handle on his demons. I think he was basically a nice person. It's a shame.

r92 Jimmy Saville fucked dead people

Who was the cop who busted George? Was the cop homophobic? Did the cop know it was George? Was it entrapment, as George claimed?

If George was Poz, when it did happen and when did he find out? Was Anselmo Poz when they met or did Anselmo become Poz while they were in a relationship? Did Anselmo infect George or did George infect Anselmo? If they were both Poz, why did Anselmo die so much sooner than George? Any of these possibilities might explain George's self-destructive behavior and depression as survivor guilt.

Drinking pop/cola/sodas automatically makes you a low class scumbag. But drinking NOTHING but gallons of coca-cola every day! George clearly earned his lame death where he was fatter than Jabba the Hutt.

[quote] Thing is Cyprus is not part of Greece, it's an Independent Country with a strong British influence. George overplayed his 'Greek' heritage at certain times.

I attended a Catholic school in a highly ethnic area which was a catchment for all the vaguely Christian Mediterranean’s of the region. There were many Greek Cypriots.

Baby, they were as British as Sauerkraut and Bratwurst.

And the unwanted apostrophe is entirely the fault of autocorrect.

[quote] [R104] Is that a metaphor?

I think it’s a haiku.

Towards the end, George seemed to be on some sort of medication that caused the weight gain. It didn't look like normal weight gain but something else. He had "moon face" associated with some types of medical conditions and prescription drugs. It was very sad. Something was very wrong.

[quote] He had "moon face" associated with some types of medical conditions and prescription drugs. It was very sad.

Why didn’t I think of that?

A lot of antidepressants and psychiatric drugs cause moon face bloat.

Elton John said GM never accepted his homosexuality and didn't like being gay and that was the root of his problems

R103 Anselmo was HIV positive well before he met George. He was to get that diagnosis six months into their relationship when his viral load would have been very high. I don't believe George had HIV when they met. I don't see how Anselmo could have given it to him either considering how long George lived after Anselmo's death. Remember how far back in time this all was now. There weren't the medications available that there are today which thankfully allow people to live with AIDS. George always said if Anselmo had sought treatment in the US or UK then Anselmo might have lived longer. Anselmo always took medical care back in Brazil instead. That's where he died from AIDS related brain hemorrhage.

R113. How the hell did they have sex🤔. I refuse to believe they always practiced protected sex.

This is the saddest tea I've ever drank.

R106 The main difference with George Michael is that his Mother was firmly English and they lived well away from the London Greek-Cypriot community out in Radlett, Hertfordshire (one of the wealthiest villages in the County).

R112 that is believable because he never seemed happy in pictures or interviews. Plus a lot of gay men go through the same thing. Some even commit suicide. Maybe GM was trying to kill himself with the crazy reckless lifestyle. Maybe he just gave up.

When Faith came out, I was told on more than one occasion that I either looked like him or we looked related. I too, had the the same pushback hair but way before he did and I didn't put blonde highlights in even after the compliments. Was invited to go to a concert he was playing back then but he just wasn't my cup of tea. I was such a young idiot.

R115 That is the million dollar question. Back in those days George always said he was extremely careful & practiced safe sex once AIDS came on the scene. I don't know how he could have not gotten infected by Anselmo if that were not the truth. There is just nothing to indicate that George ever became HIV+. Gossip doesn't count & the fact that George looked bloated & poorly in his last years doesn't mean it was AIDS either. The heart disease he had could have caused his change in appearance. I've had members of my own family who changed in looks due to heart conditions that eventually killed them.

I think the HIV speculation started in earnest after he almost died of severe pneumonia in 2011.

It's unusual at 48, a symptom of advanced HIV (AIDS) and Vienna AKH Hospital (where he was treated) is regarding as a leading HIV treatment centre, he remained an outpatient until his death.

None of that gives a definite answer but it fueled the gossip.

R120 is in denial when there are evident of a possibility due to his love of cottaging and the severe pneumonia years before his death.

And he went by Yog Panayiotou. And grew up in the 1970s.

Sure. He’s as British as Prince Harry.

Are you British r123? Just curious.

R122 I'm not in denial. Sure George could have had AIDS, but you folks who keep insisted he did have nothing to back it up with but speculation. My brother almost died from pneumonia some years ago at a lot younger age than George was when he was hospitalized. My brother never smoked & doesn't have HIV/AIDS. George was younger than Freddie Mercury who in his time is quoted as saying "fuck it, I'm doing everything with everybody." That was the attitude of many people early on in the epidemic. After enough people started dying folks did start to wise up and say if I don't protect myself I will very likely get infected and die. How reckless George was in his promiscuity can never be known. He slept with a ton of people in anonymous hookups. If he wasn't using protection then I don't know how he managed to not die a whole lot earlier than he actually did.

I wonder how many professionals were working behind the scenes to try to keep him alive, despite his reckless behavior? The real secret might be that he should have died many years earlier but for having the best care money could buy and people trying to protect him from himself.

R123 That was probably because it was his name.

It was swiftly changed to the George Michael when he wanted to be successful. Though other artists had been successful using their real name

He gave several interviews on Greek TV and didn't make any attempt at the language.

He gave no reason to believe he was invested in his Father's heritage

In his autobiography, Elton said that it was his fondness for voyeurism that saved him from the plague. Which was indeed a hell of a lot safer than being a dedicated bottom like Mercury.

As for Michael, nobodyvkniws and we'll probably never know, but it's highly likely he became pos at some point.

There was that very strange incident where he "fell" out of a moving car and sustained a head injury some years before his death. It was mostly under reported, but there was speculation that he jumped out of that car and that the head injuries were serious and he didn't fully recover.

Who cares if he had AIDS? He was extremely promiscuous and not only in the bushes and the stalls. His last years were filled with illness, drugs and endless paid sex partners. He was older, uglier, more drug addicted and fucked up - he had whores brought to him. Not twinks either. All this is known. George Michael wasn't the overburdened pop star or a lifelong drug addict. He hated being gay, growing old and wasn't honest with himself. He needed a great deal of honest therapy. Instead he paid everyone to make him feel better. Until the mirror and his body could no longer go along with the lie.

GM died in 2016. Lifesaving HIV drugs had been available for almost 20 years by then. He died of drug use and bad health and self hatred and avoiding help. His family doesn't want to discuss it and I respect them for that. Except.....his life could be illustrative to other gay and depressed people to seek help and not mask suicidal self hatred as cocky Gay Pride. George Michael hated being gay. He did have HIV. He got it late in his life. He was arrested in development and unable to enjoy success, love or sexual satisfaction. He wasn't the great artist and sexual hedonist that Nureyev was. George was compulsive and depressive and RICH, addictive and a master of denial. A victim only of himself by the end. His "boyfriend" sleeping in the car on Christmas Eve? To find him dead. Sometimes your drug dealers try to keep you alive. I believe that Fadi did that and many other bits of unsavory business for GM. I wasn't even born until 1983. I don't find Wham Boy to be a sad story. He was a sad man. He wasn't honest with his family or the world. He was fucking talented though. George Michael had a great voice for a white boy.

Wasn't Jimmy Sommerville who was supposed to have a massive cock?

R133 Only in comparison to the rest of him - he’s TINY. I’M 5’10” and he barely came up to my waist.

[quote] He gave no reason to believe he was invested in his Father's heritage

He looked Greek. He spoke openly about his Greek-Cypriot heritage from his Wham! days. And if you look foreign in Britain, you’re treated as foreign.

Elton said that it was his fondness for voyeurism

imagine having sex and elton john sitting in the corner of the room having a toss?

I am not sure what "having a toss" is butt if you mean stroking his cock to ejaculation... I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[quote] he’s TINY. I’M 5’10” and he barely came up to my waist.

How convenient.

R131 You've pretty much nailed it where George is concerned. He did hate being gay. He was drug addicted and did pay professionals for sex along with all the random toilet hookups. You're right about it not making much of a difference if he had HIV or not because he was already in stages of destroyed health through his drug use and smoking. George was the modern day version of Truman Capote in how he killed himself over the years.

I'll post a video link for anyone interested. It's: youtube.com/watch?v=331-2OFqYtM. It's not a high quality video but shows one of the things that I believe had a deep impact on George. He is singing "You Have Been Loved" in front of a crowd who couldn't have cared less about it. The audience is talking and laughing while he is singing this beautiful song about loss. It's a song that many people could take comfort from at certain times in their own lives. George took losing Anselmo and then his mother very hard. I would imagine like most people he tried to make sense of it. Perhaps he came to think some good could come of it by using his talent to help others. An audience like the one in this video must have been extremely hard to take while singing that song. If you'll take note that the more depraved he became in his own life the more beautiful his music kept getting. This is not uncommon among artists.

Lastly, you mentioned Nureyev. When it comes to promiscuity and high sex drive he is the man to beat. He was insatiable. However, the physical was still secondary to the psychological. By having non-stop sex that meant nothing he was preserving his emotions. Above all else making sure he had the emotional available for performing was his top priority. I think there was some of this with Freddie Mercury too.

Correction on the above link: youtube.com/watch?v=331-2OFqYtM

I'm having trouble with that link. Forget it and anyone interested can find the video by typing in "Tears in Melbourne George Michael." Sorry about the link.

Well, r142, for one thing, it might help if you put it in the correct place.

Ya know, the big box that says “Web Site Link.”

Here it is using the web site link:

I think his anxiety and depression is what really affected his music career. Apart from the controversy with his label. He took way too many gaps between albums which killed interest in his career. Being forced out of the closet probably gave him more attention and he could have used that further to his advantage. That single "Outside" was hilarious and catchy and could have been part of a full concept album about the whole bathroom scandal. He was great at satirical stuff. "Shoot the Dog" could have been part of a full politically charged album. I think George needed someone to direct and put pressure on him because he had so many brilliant ideas but he seemed too neurotic to get stuff out in a more timely manner. George admitted having Andrew in Wham was really good for him to get his material out there because he was too shy.

R145 Yes it was always supposed to be a new album in the works with all his plans for things that never happened. His stint on "Eli Stone" showed he had some acting talent. Nothing came of it after that either.

George seemed to have, in all areas of his life people who kept his secrets

What people on here don't understand, is that is what men of his age and time did. Haunted tearooms and lived in the closet.

He was barely passably ok looking with an annoying whisper coo voice. Hard pass.

He also anonymously helped fellow addicts who wanted to get clean. He was a gooden'. All the sadder that the disease of addiction made him suffer so horribly, the killed him at its leisure.

Hard for celeb. addicts in the headlights get & stay clean.

typo meant to type then killed him at its leisure.

I’d like to have a whisper coo voice. Is it like vocal fry where it’s how you talk?

What whisper coo? His speaking voice is very clear and articulate. He choose to sing in a sultry manner similar to Smokey Robinson and Marvin Gaye.

R148, true enough, but not all of them did. It was a difficult time being gay (well, it always has been until very recently and even now) and the aids crisis was awful. He was very talented and also very lost. All these different streaks lived within him and the combination did not end well.

If we’re talking about what if i also question if Anselmo had lived he would end up much different.

You have been loved is one of the saddest, most beautiful musics ever.

I miss him so much. i love his music.

GHB is a nervous system depressant like alcohol. In small doses it is like getting drunk, higher doses can put you in a deep sleep and overdose you risk death due to vomiting. It is hard to die from GHB akone.

He was intelligent, talented, funny and had a big heart. Gave a lot to charity, did volunteer work and wrote a few articles condemning right-wing politicians. Also, he never forgot his roots. He looked gorgeous in the 80s and 90s. It goes to show depression does not discriminate and being a gay man in the 70s and 80s was not easy. Even today, gay men still make up a large percentage of depression and suicide.

"What people on here don't understand, is that is what men of his age and time did. Haunted tearooms and lived in the closet."

Oh bull. He lived through the era when homosexuality came out of the closet in a big way, and gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals, set up out and proud lives for the first time, and entered public life as out homosexuals. He turned 20 in 1983, when he could go live in a gay neighborhood, work in a gay-owned and gay-oriented business, live a coupled life with a boyfriend, and come out to their families and employers... in some places. And some fields.

Yes, everyone involved in the music business would have begged him to stay closeted, but Elton John had come out and his career had survived, and others like Freddie Mercury were "privately out" and living gay private lives, without making an official announcement. So no, Michael had a shit-ton of options beyond staying closeted and slinking into public toilets, and if that's what he did, then he did it because he wanted to.

R158 Elton didn't sell himself as a sex symbol to millions of females.

Who hasn't, aside from women?

[quote] Oh bull. He lived through the era when homosexuality came out of the closet in a big way, and gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals, set up out and proud lives for the first time, and entered public life as out homosexuals. He turned 20 in 1983, when he could go live in a gay neighborhood, work in a gay-owned and gay-oriented business, live a coupled life with a boyfriend, and come out to their families and employers... in some places. And some fields.

That was because of HIV that made people come out publicly. It wasn't by choice. If this was the 2000s, you'd have a point. But his career was peaking at the time when thousands were being infected by HIV and right-wing politicians were calling it "God's punishment." And if he came out in the 80s, it would have been career suicide. He sold himself as a sex symbol to teen girls and women and he was also popular with straight men.

He was privately out to his friends and family since the 80s but not public until the bathroom scandal forced him out. But by the 90s, he became more reclusive and stopped releasing radio-friendly music. So he didn't make that manny public appearances and could be freely gay without press interference. It was just getting caught by a police officer that made him have to make a public statement.

[quote] Yes, everyone involved in the music business would have begged him to stay closeted, but Elton John had come out and his career had survived, and others like Freddie Mercury were "privately out" and living gay private lives, without making an official announcement. So no, Michael had a shit-ton of options beyond staying closeted and slinking into public toilets, and if that's what he did, then he did it because he wanted to.

Freddie was not publicly out and how is he different from George who was privately out anyway? Elton came out way after his career peaked and was married to women.

He liked public sex because it was his fetish. Big deal. Please go back to your Bible study meeting.

I thought he was especially handsome in his younger years. The only thing GM needed to do, and never did, was get his teeth fixed. He had the most awful teeth. Not dirty or diseased, just ugly. The shape and placement of his teeth was quite off putting. I guess, like Freddie Mercury, he was afraid doing something about them would affect his voice.

David Bowie had ugly British teeth too but eventually got them fixed probably because he went deeper into acting by the 80s.

Looks at those choppers. They were scary looking.

That gross deformed underbite. Yikes.

He had great songs, but he was hideous.

Social cultural shifts and changing of laws don’t instantly undo years of homophobia and trauma. I think he was like many celebrities whose wealth and status as a celebrity allowed him to remain self destructive, unaccountable and surrounded by enablers. If people practiced tough love with Whitney and Michael Jackson about their issues, they found themselves cut of their lives.

Sex and drug addiction are often unhealthy emotional coping mechanisms. If you are drugged up or constantly pursuing sex, you aren’t dealing with your issues/emotions. Also, as a gay man of that era, living a compartmentalized life becomes normal for many because of homophobia. People can live one life outwardly, but have another when it comes to their sex life.

Although he had open committed relationships, who knows how healthy/fulfilling those were, or if pursuing sexual encounters continued to be part of his life. It seemed like he spiraled after he lost Anselmo, and even more so after his mother died. I think she was his emotional support system, and without her, it was harder for him to manage his emotions, which led him to deeper depression and more severe levels of addiction. Obviously I am only speculating and do not know, but I can relate to GM in a lot of ways based on what I have read.

"That was because of HIV that made people come out publicly. It wasn't by choice."

Where on Earth did you spend the 80s, R161, the rural South? FYI in the civilized world, gay men and lezzies had been coming out by choice en masse in the 1970s, and were still coming out in big numbers during the 1980s, voluntarily, because for a lot of people it was safe enough to do so. Yes, not every gay man in the world was out to their boss and their mother, but plenty were, even when things were at their worst.

So IMHO if ever there was a person whose worst problems weren't due solely to homophobia, it was George Michael, as R168 so ably outlines. Yes, he had to deal with homophobia in his public and private life, and deep within his own mind, but he had so many other issues as well. Even during the 1980s most gay men managed to cope with gay life without succumbing to addiction or public toilets, but then, most gay men weren't surrounded by paid enablers.

His smile gave his face character, loved his smile.

I don’t know where you lived, r169 and what you mean by civilized world (NY? SF?). Elsewhere was exacty like that. Growing up as a teenager in the 80s I rarely found any out gay men in the public sphere (and aids didn’t help).

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