Whitney Houston's 2002 interview with Dianne Sawyer

Did Whitney realize she ruined her public image with the interview, and that the whole thing became a camp classic among gay men? I'm still so fascinated by it so much, and I'm so not clear by what she thought she was doing when she was doing it.

"No, what is it, [italic]DI[/italic]-anne, tell me..."

Inspired one of the greatest MadTV parodies ever.

God Bless Whitney for giving us a catchphrase that's still used today....."Show Me The Receipts!"

Every time I revisit this interview, I'm most amused by Diane Sawyer's sanctimonious, somewhat condescending tone. Which is ironic given the fact that by the next decade Diane herself started frequently appearing on air slurring & seemingly intoxicated.

I can't think of an interview that impacted pop culture more. Those one liners she delivered are now regularly used phrases 20 years on.

[quote]Every time I revisit this interview, I'm most amused by Diane Sawyer's sanctimonious, somewhat condescending tone.

How else should she have been responding given that Whineyw as clearly high as a kite during the interview?

Diane Sawyer is so fake and condescending. Whats up with news shows hiring high-strung, judgmental phonies to do these interviews? Of course no one (even celebrities) would want to be talked down to especially in regards to their decisions, they would react dismissively and defensively because that's human nature.

Yes, r7: I'm sure Whitney's behavior during the interview was entirely Dianne's fault.

Whitney was not high in that interview, she didn't deserve attitude from Dianne.

r7 it's easy now 20 years later to think Diane Sawyer was being condescending, but back in 2002 EVERYONE wanted to know the real answers the questions Diane was asking. Whitney was obviously a seasoned megastar at this point and could've declined the interview, but she did it.

Whitney shocked the world with her skeletal body in late 2001 at Michael Jacksons special, so this interview could not be softball. She had apparent issues and time for bullshitting was over.

Well as rocky as the Diane Sawyer interview was in parts, it still went better than her Wendy Williams radio interview from the same period. Sheesh!

I miss Whitney. She was my favorite. Even high she seemed like a super fun person. Love her

[quote]and I'm so not clear by what she thought she was doing when she was doing it.

Whitney was flying high on some good shit and she was not going to let that shrill harpy Diane Sawyer bring her down.

r12 Whitney stans add the extra "N"

I've watched link this so many times.

I still get so emotional thinking about Whitney, it will forever break my heart what happened to her.

[quote] and that the whole thing became a camp classic among gay men?

I would say not just among gay men, I was in college when it happened and I think everyone watched it and it became fully a part of pop culture. Frat Bros were going around saying "crack is whack" and "show me the receipts."

An interview like this is either done for damage control (in desperate situations) or for cash. I would not be shocked if this was for the latter. Her people would be dumb to put her in front of the camera for damage control when she's clearly a mess. Whitney's life and finances were in disarray at this stage. She was cash poor, like Michael Jackson was at the end.

Are there any big interviewers anymore on broadcast tv? Where are the new Barbra Walters and Diane Sawyer? I thought Megyn Kelly might fill their shoes but it didn't happen.

[quote]Which is ironic given the fact that by the next decade Diane herself started frequently appearing on air slurring & seemingly intoxicated.

It's a tough business

[quote]Whitney shocked the world with her skeletal body in late 2001 at Michael Jacksons special,

Do you know how many women would kill to be that thin?

R19 I doubt it was cash. Paying directly for interviews is the one line the legacy media does not want to cross. Though they can use their corporate arm to create other "opportunities."

The media climate was so different in the 2000s. I don't think it was better honestly. I think the shock value-sensationalism brought on by talk shows and reality TV. The creepy voyeuristic intrusiveness into celebrities lives especially thanks to TMZ and Perez. It all was just showing a degradation of society and a trend towards amoralism and nihilism. People today are disgusted and rightfully so. I mean Whitney was a junkie and all, but how was mocking her and rubbing it into her face going to help? Giving addicts any of type of attention whether its mockery or praise just validates them. Whitney was surrounded by snakes and the media exposure didn't help. She was still making the press money through their mockery of her and she even got a reality TV with Bobby Brown. People wanted that media circus to laugh at them. Now today, we have a better understanding of mental illness and drug addiction. A lot of stuff from the 90s and 2000s does not resonate well. That's just time moving on.

I've done loads of cash deals for celebrity interviews. It's very common.

This was the first time that White America saw the real Whitney. She was straight up Newark hood rat, not the clean cut princess that Clive Davis manufactured for so many years. White America was shocked at how ghetto Whitney truly was.

R25 With, ABC, CBS, or NBC? And, was it morning shows or primetime?

Whitney the star was heavily produced by her label, visually. Look at her pre-fame photos. Very butch.

True r28. She was really dykey-looking before Clive Davis made her get a makeover to be feminine and glamorous.

[quote]The media climate was so different in the 2000s. I don't think it was better honestly. I think the shock value-sensationalism brought on by talk shows and reality TV. The creepy voyeuristic intrusiveness into celebrities lives especially thanks to TMZ and Perez.

r24 in the pre-social media era when this took place, artists like Whitney HAD to do these in-depth interviews for their major projects, they didn't have the variety of outlets like they do now. This interview came way before the drug den photos in the National Enquirer, Being Bobby Brown, Perez Hilton, and TMZ even existing.

Whitney was not broke in the early 2000s. She was still on Arista in 2002 and Alicia Keys was kicking ass. Whitney was promoting Just Whitney; the lead single totally flopped for months. The second single "One Of Those Days" revived some interest, but they had to get the album moving off shelves, hence this interview. She had no choice but to face the music, the insane Wendy Williams interview came shortly after. It had been one year of total firestorm speculation about her drug problems, her album was about to tank. She had to address it to get on with her career.

Whitney had money problems then. It's well documented. And Wendy even discussed that in her radio interview.

r31 she might have had money problems like other artists on Arista (Toni Braxton, TLC) but she wasn't totally broke like they were.

I don't think Whitney had to do this interview. She could have declined. And I don't think her career was at it's peak then. The public didn't have to write to know anything. She wanted the attention and was in living in denial. Bobby Brown was a fame whore too. The overexposure did more harm than good.

Whitney had a raging drug problem and a huge army of hangers-on and family members "working for her" on her payroll.

She was trash. Her fans have this image they’ve concocted. It’s false. She was a terrible mother. She was a drug addict. She had all the resources at her disposal yet chose drugs over her daughter. She lied. And lied. And lied. She led a double life. A triple life. She really wasn’t this sweet angel. She was all artifice. It was a show. Behind the smiles was a lying drug addict.

She was high as a kite during this hilarious speech.

She died horribly and her daughter died horribly. I don't think ripping her to shreds and condemning her as a liar and a drug addict adds anything meaningful to the picture. She had a horrible tragic life, despite the money, an outcome that no person would reasonably choose. Clearly, she did not have the resources (either internal or external) to save herself. She suffered enough - we don't need to kick her corpse.

R38 No, you don’t get to play that card. We rip current alive stars to shreds. It doesn’t make it any different. She doesn’t get a pass because she died once again lying about what was going on. She sounds like a total C in that Wendy Williams interview.

[quote]She died horribly and her daughter died horribly.

She didn't die horribly. She was so stoned and/or drunk she didn't even know she was drowning in a tub. Probably had no awareness of it. There are a lot of far more horrible ways to die.

R5 “You don’t understand, Man. Its hard - we’re Rock n Rollers!”

I felt that

She was dying over the last several years of her life. The bathtub was only the end point. She lived in degradation and shame and to me that's horrible. No person would choose this. People need to understand that not everyone has the ability to save themselves.

People have to remember that, yes, media was different back then. When you agreed to do these big interviews with Barbara Walters or Diane Sawyer or Matt Lauer, you were expected to dish. It had to be must-see TV. The internet had been around for a few years but it is not like today with YouTube and social media.

Also, Whitney was in the deep crux of her addiction at this point. She was completely in denial and she was completely defiant in both this interview and the album she was promoting at the time, Just Whitney. I think the Whitney of that period wanted to do the interview because she wanted to shed that image people had of her and wanted people to see or get closer to the real Whitney, exactly what r26 was addressing. In a weird way, there is something to admire Whitney's tenacity and forthrightness in this interview.

You will never see this type of interview again. There are too many publicists and managers to go through now to get to the interview stage. I'm betting Whitney wasn't listening to those people and wanted to sit down with Diane. Good or bad, this interview is still discussed 20 years later and it's classic pop culture.

In pop culture but not in a good way. Jesus, people are making FUN of her cracked out ass.

Did any of you gays make a pilgrimage to the room where she died? I know the hotel changed the room number and totally refurbished the suite but it must be still a morbidly fascinating experience to spend a night in there.

To think that people were shredding Whitney for this, & a just few years later the Britney Brigade was born. It's okay to make fun of Whitney because she was a drug addict, but god forbid you say a word against Britney, who's clearly mentally ill & not doing a thing to help herself (other than rant on the internet & post nudies of herself).

R47 fuck that airhead Britney too. Fuck that drug whore Whitney.

R30, I still remember that some major publication (can't remember which one) had a fucked up headline that made me chuckle when those bathroom photos were first released.

[bold]"No Matter What They Take From Me, They Can't Take Away My Dignity".........Until Now! : Whitney Houston's Crack Den Exposed![/bold]

r32 Whitney and Bobby were spending a lot of money on drugs. Bobby's brother was a dealer so it was plentiful and very available.

Her behavior on that reality show was abhorrent. Asking Bobby to dig shit out of her constipated ass was beyond repairing her image.

Being Bobby Brown is still my all-time favorite show. ai have nothing but love for Whitney.

Whitney's drug den. She was just like any other crackhead you'd see in any ghetto neighborhood.

R52 a sad statement about someone you like.

I love the fact she was reading Star magazine in her crack den.

In that original crack den article, they said she'd lock herself in the bathroom for hours to smoke crack and use her vibrator on herself. Another article, her family bought her the vibrator to try curb her sexual desires because she was so promiscuous that they were afraid she would contract STDs.

[quote] "No Matter What They Take From Me, They Can't Take Away My Dignity".........Until Now! : Whitney Houston's Crack Den Exposed!

I remember that headline, or one like it, because "The Greatest Love of All" was the first secular solo I ever performed in public at, of all things, a D.A.R.E. graduation.

Also, wasn't this the period where Clive Davis was not involved in her career? He was working on J Records at this point? Clive would never have allowed her to do this type of interview.

Whitney moved to Atlanta so she could be a crackhead 24/7. She wanted to get away from Cissy and all of her other relatives.

I'm not judging. Life can really deal you a raw hand by circumstance, and not everyone can find material success. That said, the thing I found most interesting is that she would smoke crack while reading the bible. Fascinating!

How many of you feel fortunate that when you were younger and in your partying years you just stuck with booze and pot and never went any further than that?

**raises hand**

R62 I’m 36 and tried it all. I don’t have an addictive personality.

I was not a Whitney fan. I saw through her facade. That being said, I find it sad to hear her fans talk about her “pop culture” moments and Being Bobby Brown in positive ways when her pop culture moments are people making fun of her and BBB was the most degrading moments in any star’s life caught on camera I’ve ever seen.

[quote]I don’t have an addictive personality.

I now know that I can't smoke one stick of pot! I can't take one snort of horse! I can't take one needle of cocaine because I am an addictive personality! And that's all I need is one of anything. Ya know I need one dress. If I happen to like this dress in tan, I buy the same dress in green and black and pink. This is the type of personality I am!

She did great when she was under the guidance of a white man (Clive Davis). Her career and life went straight down the shitter when she crossed over to a black man (Bobby Brown).

Adele is apparently heading in the same direction.

R63 I remember watching the BBB show and thinking she really is done and doesn't care about her career or her public image. I have never seen a celeb who was so beloved and destroy themselves so publicly. She was gross on that show; chain smoking, cursing, looking a mess with a constant hoarseness to her voice. She was also a terrible mother, no wonder Krissy went out the same way.

[quote] Addiction is a disease.

Try using that argument to get off in a court of law if you kill someone when drunk driving.

Can someone please explain what was done to "digitally enhance" Whitney's skeletal frame for the broadcast version of the infamous Michael Jackson concert? I've heard multiple places that the producers tried to make Whitney look less deathly....but I never saw "before and after" pictures to show how she looked in person versus on TV.

I mean, how the hell did they even fix that back in 2001?? Adjust the exposure so she looked brighter, making bone shadows less apparent??

Really curious....

She looked horrifying that night. And that's when I understood she had breast implants because there was no way she'd have round firm coconuts otherwise when the rest of her was skin and bones.

R63 I agree it was degrading and sad. Bobby made her want to drag herself down to please him.

R44 I also agree she had grit and wanted to clap back at the media. She was defiant with Diane...but also trying to be honest. Whitney just gave too much of herself. She even answered Diane's manipulative questions about how it felt having her dying father sue her. She broke down in tears. Like....come on. She admitted to drug use....now you want to rub her nose in her father's betrayal?

Diane acted like it was an intervention but it clearly wasn't....even though we the public wanted an intervention for her.

Imagine if Whitney had run to Robyn with BK? Shut out everyone? Ended her career? Gone into rehab and just been a lesbian in a committed relationship?

Like a lot of addicts, Whitney loved cocaine more than anything else. More than her marriage, her child, her career, or her health. She didn't care what it did to her or those who loved her as long as she had her high.

No addict gets clean unless they decide they love something more than the drug. Whitney never really did.

So how drunk was Diane Sawyer during this interview?

r63, I will say the exact same thing I said here about Britney Spears. Some people can't separate the artist from the person. Just like Britney, the industry creates a marketable act and it's artist's job to deliver the illusion, something that's totally not real.

Being Bobby Brown was the real Whitney; just because you didn't like it doesn't make it degrading. That's how she chose to live her life at that time, no one forced her. If for nothing else, I respected her for not hiding behind an illusion anymore. She did that for long time, and eventually that would've made her crazy too, like it's done so many other stars.

[quote]Her career and life went straight down the shitter when she crossed over to a black man (Bobby Brown).

People are also forgetting that Whitney died a middle aged single woman. Whitney was on drugs before she met Bobby, and she was divorced from him for years at the time of her death.

Whitney was controlled her entire career. Yes, maybe Clive wasn’t around during some of these unhinged interviews where it wasn’t grit but ghetto coming out. She sounds ridiculous. When she wasn’t controlled it was because she was out of control on drugs. She was a weak woman.

[quote]She was a weak woman.

Pisces rising.

Astrology is a bunch of fucking horseshit

Beautiful voice once but unfortunately, yes she was dumb and weak and a terrible mother. She could have had Kevin Costner if she wasn't such an idiot surrounded by all that trash. I remember watching this interview. It didn't seem shocking or damaging to me. I wasn't around (I was a child) during her sweet innocent image in the beginning. I only knew Bodyguard and then that ghetto album my love is yours or whatever. Her catalogue sucks. Wasted talent.

R26 I don't think she behaved like a hood rat

R51 is that why his surename is brown?

It was during this interview that I realized she had fucked up her tongue muscles by smoking crack and that it was permanent. Really sad.

The thing is I know Whitney grew up in New Jersey, but she didn't grow up on the streets or in the ghetto. She was a middle class kid. Her father worked for the state and her mother led a glamorous show biz life. So I don't know which is more of an act, the Clive Davis Whitney or the Bobby Brown Whitney? I suspect only Robyn Crawford got to see the Whitney Whitney. The drugs were more than likely the result of feeling pressured to always be something she wasn't.

R76 Costner already had children with someone else. Who wants that? EW Whitney was wise not to date him, if she was even interested at all...

She was completely fucked up—but incredibly talented and seemed genuinely good at her core and too generous. Truly tragic.

Her brother admitted in an interview with Oprah that he introduced her to crack and other drugs R80 See at 2:01 in the video for more information.

R82 But she birthed a child while being a druggie. Not what I would call "good" but many make that mistake.

^^^Don't get me started on the Garlands. Talk about EWWW. R80 BINGO. R82 Agreed.

Black Americans don't really have the same class distinctions or class segregation as white Americans do. If you look at segregation laws and post-WW2 housing policies, black people of all incomes lived in proximity and influenced each other. So not usual for a black family to have middle class, working class, ghetto, country and upper class members at the same family get-together. We all share the same church and organizations too. Whitney code-switched. She was capable of being professional and behaving with poise. But once her drug habits kicked in, she stopped giving a fuck about how white Americans perceived her.

[quote]I only knew Bodyguard and then that ghetto album

racist @ r76 just because she stopped making white people music at that time doesn't mean the album was "ghetto"

R87 It was ghetto. She was singing about side pieces and baby mamas and all kinds of ghetto trash. Her voice was pure. It was meant to sing about love and human emotions in a hopeful way.

[quote]Costner already had children with someone else. Who wants that?

R81 So did Bobby. In fact, he started dating Whitney when his ex-girlfriend was pregnant.

I know this sounds crazy but I wish Whitney had married someone like Arsenio Hall. They could have given each other the space to do whatever they wanted. But maybe she still wouldn't be able to beat her drug problem.

My Love Is Your Love is a great album. It proved Whitney could update her sound and working with the hot producers at the time introduced her to a new generation of fans, and she was also bigger than ever in the clubs with the remixes by Thunderpuss and Jonathan Peters. There is nothing "ghetto" about the album.

She also seemed to pull herself together for this era but as the tour went on, she started to decline again. She looked great at the beginning of the era, in her Dolce and Gabbana outfits.

Sadly, though, Whitney would have still succumbed to drugs with or without the men in her life. She was a grown woman who made her own decisions.

R90 If she had gotten with any number of people other than Bobby Brown, she might've had a chance. But, once they got together there was no stopping her drug use.

That's the thing, she did suffer from drug addiction mental illness. I don't know if she ever admitted to herself. She certainly didn't in that Diane Sawyer interview.. That's a lifelong battle just in different forms. Her ass should have been in Therapy somewhere and married to a smart, rich, kind, nerdy man. Calm her ass down. As she couldn't find the strength to be a lesbian if that's true. Did you see how that rancid bitch Katie Couric treated her in that interview? She would have been destroyed even more. They thought her music was too "white" for Pete's sake. Terrible. And not only was that album ghetto, but her image was as well. Wearing those awful awful cheap synthetic wigs. Just awful.

[quote]I know this sounds crazy but I wish Whitney had married someone like Arsenio Hall.

He's gay

^^^That's why they were saying. They could both hide together. Haha.

R96 isn't that what Will and Jada are doing?

So she got extremely promiscuous and was also a lesbian?

We'll never know the true depths of the depravity when she hit rock bottom. She would lock herself in the closet and read the Bible and smoke up, I think she said during her Oprah interview. I don't even want to think about what else happened.

She was an addict before she became famous, and long before she took up with Brown. Well, I mean I'm pretty sure....

Whitney picked Bobby because he was an enabler. She made the deliberate decision to fully embrace the ghetto crack whore lifestyle. Her conservative family (who fucked her up by making her feel guilty for being a Lesbian) was in the way of that, and she dumped them. They had to find ways to stay in her good graces, but she was no longer listening to them, she was listening to Bobby, who insisted she could still be a big star while smoking crack all day long. Drugs became her main priority, and she killed her voice in the process. But that was all her choice. In her own twisted way, she believed that she finally took control of her life by rejecting her family's and Clive Davis' control and influence only to replace it with Bobby Brown's control over her.

Whitney should not have done interviews. Period.

When Diane Sawyer said: "I heard you spent $100,000 on drugs last year," Whitney said:

"I wish."

THAT was the funniest part of the interview, IMO.

r103 I think Bobby gets a bad wrap. People act like he was sinister on the level of Tommy Mottola, and he was not. It was not that deep. Bobby was just an R&B star who was happening at that time, and he laid good pipe. TBH I think that was the extent of Whitney's attraction. They both used, so you can't blame him for that.

Whitney was also losing support from the black community in the early 90s for being too whitewashed, and that really bothered her. She was totally shopping around for a famous black man with some swag so she could fix that. Eddie Murphy rejected her. She used Bobby combat that sentiment, while still making popular music for white people. Win win.

I still don't believe Whitney's sexuality was the root of her problems. She was likely bisexual and if she wanted to be with Robyn she could have. I think she hated being famous and felt like a music industry mule. That caused her more suffering than anything, which is why she lashed out in those later interviews.

Back in the Late 90s / Early 00s I belonged to an internet forum where 1960s thru 1980s Era Singers/Musicians/Music Industry insiders frequently posted. 0ne such poster was a guy that had worked on the Mer

Whitney was criticized by black people in the late 80s for whitewashing herself and singing music that appealed to whites and it's true that the criticism really bothered her. One reason why she got with Bobby. Bobby Brown's stardom is pretty much forgotten now but his debut solo album was a big hit and he was a big star for about five minutes.

Conversely, Donna Summer had a majority white fanbase and never really seemed to give a shit.

I somehow hit "Post" a little too soon. Continuing on from R106 .......

Back in the Late 90s / Early 00s I belonged to an internet forum where countless1960s thru 1980s Era Singers/Musicians/Music Industry insiders frequently posted. 0ne such poster was a guy that had worked behind the scenes on the Merv Griffin Show and for several TV production companies in the 70s, 80s & 90s.

This particular poster claimed that even in 1984/1985 before her first album was released, that there was gossip that Whitney Houston was a drug addict & lesbian.

Donna Summer is such a soulful singer. I'm Black and I noticed she's more big in Europe and among gays. Diana Ross is beloved in the Black community but I don't find her voice anywhere close to the emotion of Donna. Diana's voice I feel was more intended as a crossover. Not too resonant and soft enough for white suburbia

Donna didn't give a shit because she wasn't proud of being black. She was bullied growing up for being dark skinned and "ugly" and raised in Boston at that. Whitney was very connected to her blackness in comparison. Naturally due to her upbringing and in height of "Black is beautiful" in the 70s. I think people are shocked she didn't really have interest in white people outside of business despite them being her audience

She had a gift not necessarily a talent. She never used her gift to its true potential which showed lack of talent.

She was insanely talented

R111 Gifted a voice not talented. She didn’t use it the way she could have. That’s talent.

This is hilarious. I should use it as my ringtone.

That's not the definition of talent. And she has a great catalogue. Just because she didn't do a jazz or standards album doesn't negate that fact.

[quote]She never used her gift to its true potential which showed lack of talent.

And what would your definition of that be?

She wasn’t that talented. Marginally. She also never wrote shit. Beyoncé does it all and it about to win an Oscar.

Whitney was beautiful and talented - one of the saddest things to me about the human condition is that wasn’t enough.

Please r116. Beyonce is mostly hype.

Whitney did Being Bobby Brown as a favor to him. Huge mistake for both of them.

IMO, Bobby came off as a drunkard, but not as bad as I thought he'd be.

Whitney came off as a tired breadwinner, everybody on her gravy train.

Their life was too chaotic to bring a child into it. Too much fighting. Bobby was still fucking other women and I don't blame Whitney for being angry. But she took too long to cut him loose.

Enough with Whitney the victim. She was not the best person in the world by far. All her polish dulled when the reality shone through.

There's an poster who's all over this thread trying to convince us what a terrible human being Whitney was. Yet he seems to know the tiniest, most obsucre details about her life even though he hates her so much. Now that is mental illness and and unhealthy obsession. Get thee help thusly.

She was fantastic to watch live. Effortlessly dramatic and could work the audience even when her voice was coarse. Whitney's sublime talent, together with her imperfections, are the reason why she's been elevated to such an icon. The greatest voice of our lifetime.

I loved the D&G makeover for her My Love is Your Love tour. High as kite, but still charismatic as hell.

What’s insane is Bobby Brown lives on.

R121 Sublime? Ahahahahahahahaha You the “sublime” stan. Everything is “sublime” with your faves. She was a wooden performer. She was never much of a touring artist. People came to see her on some tours but none were memorable. She was hammy at times which you call, holds sides, “dramatic”. She was an overall disaster. Her terrible performance in TB saw her get lucky asf the film was out at a time HW was churning out turkeys. That ONE song propelled the soundtrack. Just like Celine’s ONE song did it for Titanic. Celine, who had much bigger hits and a much better voice. Ok, better. Celine knew how to use her gift.

I'll never forget Chris Rock dragging her on Letterman for doing a crack dance on her reality show with Bobby.

The bitch was a mess for almost 2 decades straight, she was a complete state when she sang on the British X-Factor, her voice was gone and her energy was near zero.

I agree and have already said. She didn't use her gift/talent properly. Her voice was sooooo beautiful and powerful and she's singing crap like "not right but ok". I also despise her live performances. There's not one worth listening to unless you like that impromptu gospel riffing on every song. Here is the only time she performed a song just like the record. Along with a few performances of "All At Once" early on. There also used to be a clip of her full performance on this show where she learned a new song from their country land just minutes before and her vocals were heavenly. The Host was in awe. It seems to be gone now otherwise I would link it. It shows what her gift/talent was capable of and what was wasted.

Whitney hardly wasted her talent, she's widely recognized as one of the greatest ever.

Nevermind! I found it. Someone uploaded a new clip a year ago. She just learned this song. Listen to how angelic she sounds. THIS is the style she should have been singing her whole career. Beautiful and optimistic vocals.

[quote]THIS is the style she should have been singing her whole career. Beautiful and optimistic vocals.

You know nothing about the music industry.

Whitney was like Icarus. She flew too close to the sun with a crack pipe, she cracked ... uhm, crashed and burned.

r126 sounding like the record is a sign of a robotic lack of creativity.

This is objectively better than the record.

R131 To each their own. 🤷‍♂️ Not my style. She sounds healthy but I like nice clean vocals similar to the record. R129 Actually, I kinda do. I used to work in it. Whitney should have been singing Adult contemporary pop not the ghetto hood blues. I even knew racist white boys from Florida who loooooved Whitney's first albums and the Bodyguard sdtk. They loved her. But once she went ghetto, forget it. She wasted her talent and misjudged everything. But Drugs will do that.

Whitney had more soul in her live performances. Her recordings are where the "soulless" accusations come from. All the overproduction and the lack of subtlety which was trademark of the 1980s. Whitney would have gotten better material in the 60s and 70s suited to her voice.

I think her 90s R&B stuff was better than the Adult Contemporary stuff that White America preferred. Million Dollar Bill is a great song.

R132 here it says she smoked. Maybe that's the reason y she didn't sound so heavenly anymo'? Btw I like the comment about Jlo lmao.

My Love Is Your Love is her best album and the only one that isn't incredibly dated. She could have had a good career in the 2000s if she stayed sober and broke away from Bobby and other addicts. Her move to R&B made sense, corny love ballads weren't selling like in the 80s. I wish she tried jazz or rock or blues, her voice really was underutilized. "Saving All My Love For You" has this nice jazz tone to it and makes me wonder if she could have pulled off an album of jazz standards.

I already know who likes "my love is your love". Haha. That album had interest because it was her first in years that wasn't a soundtrack. Once people heard it, it was over. "MILLION DOLLAR BILL" was cool but she's just yelling one note that they copied and pasted over and over. Haha. That whole album sounds like she has a chewed up balloon in her throat and she is struggling. FOH. Anyone saying her stuff after Bodyguard is better is just a blinded Stan. Don't even get me started on those live performances during that era. Haha. 🗑️

This was great for my European ears

R135 Duh she smoked. She smoked the cocaine and the weed together which is HORRIBLE and sooo dangerous. The bitch was living on borrowed time.

Yes, Whitney would have been so successful into the late 90s and 2000s if she stuck to that dated cheesy adult contemporary schlock as opposed to trying out popular music genres. A lot of people like R&B and hip-hop and are not ghetto, most of the buying audience is still white people and many Europeans to boot. My Love Is Your Love was popular because it had an excellent production, she looked great and sounded great and it had appeal to a younger audience who was more in tune to urban sounds that was mainstream.

R14O haha! Keep telling yourself that buddy. CORRECTION: Nobody of any taste in the arts and class was interested in her after that my love album. And you can check the receipts. She would have been loved and adored forever if she kept to standards, class, and beautiful ballads. No question about it. She lost hundreds, if not millions of fans, after that ghetto album. Yea sure, there are some people who appreciate it that aren't ghetto trash, but most likely it was damaging. Again, check the receipts. She didn't look great, she didn't sound great, and it was definitely "urban". See how that worked out for her. I know anything outside of skid row is considered "schlock", but see how that worked out and sounded. Pure garbage and I don't know anyone who listens to any of it. And I loved her voice in the beginning. Honestly, It's a tragedy to mankind her voice wasn't used for better material. A TRAGEDY. And younger audience ? Haha. I was 16 when that ghetto album was released and I knew it was trash then. So did a lot of people. As you can see. CHECK THE RECEIPTS.

[quote] She would have been loved and adored forever if she kept to standards, class, and beautiful ballads.

That style of music had gone out of fashion. She would've been a niche artist like Nancy Wilson or Patti Austin.

I couldn’t take her voice for long. I’m not into someone just having a technically great voice. It is what they do with it. I heard Fiona Apple’s “Criminal” for the first time since elementary yesterday. Her singing on that song isn’t flashy or BIG. It is just so very effective. You feel the song. Whitney could NEVER sing like that. And there are hundreds of examples where Whitney could never sing a song better than a much lesser singer. To make the point further, SO MANY have sung Whitney songs about as good, or better, than her. What does that tell you? There are tons of waaaay lesser singers who no one can sing their songs as effectively as they can. You can’t duplicate how effective their vocals are. THAT is talent. A million AI or The Voice wanna bes have sung Whitney, Celine, Mariah just as well or better.

r143 you're really reaching.

[quote]There's an poster who's all over this thread trying to convince us what a terrible human being Whitney was. Yet he seems to know the tiniest, most obsucre details about her life even though he hates her so much.

I agree.

[quote]To make the point further, SO MANY have sung Whitney songs about as good, or better, than her.

r143, you aren't doing anything to further your point with that statement. Even those of us who liked Whitney's voice and think she was a talented vocalist know that most of her songs during the peak of her career in the late 80s/ early 90s were pedestrian. Doesn't matter who sings that shit, it wears on the ears.

Whitney simply went along with the Clive Davis formula because it worked for her as a flat foot singer, ie someone who learned to sing in the church and dancing is not a part of their act. And the fact that you also throw Mariah and Celine in there lets me know your knowledge about how the music industry worked during that period of time is questionable.

Nobody had a voice like Whitney

Damn. This MFer HERE! Trying to compare Fiona to Whitney Houston. You'd better go look for some oranges, instead, pal. Houston is easily one of the greatest singers in the history of the music industry. That's NOT my opinion, but simple fact. She was an incredible talent.

Unfucking believable!

I like Fiona too, but comparing her to Whotney is like, er, apples & oranges. I don’t care if Whitney’s songs were pedestrian, it’s her voice that sold the hell out of them.

I was a teen when My Love Is Your Love came out and we all loved it. The album received positive reviews, it was certified 4x platinum in both the US and Europe, it spent 75 weeks on the Billboard 200 and 79 weeks on the Billboard Top R&B/Hip Hop Chart. All five singles released from the album were Top 40 hits. She won a Grammy for Best Female R&B Vocal Performance. My Love Is Your Love was a success.

That album was not ghetto and didn't lose her fans, if they did leave her over it they weren't true fans and they have poor taste in music.

She had a gift, a marginal talent of how to use it. She was also boring asf.

She was Gen X's Billie Holiday. It's not evident in the music they made: Whitney started out with a voice Billie could only have dreamed of, and Whitney wasn't the instinctive, sophisticated musical mind that Billie was. But they had in common beauty, hardheadedness, bisexuality (with some terrible choices in partners), addiction, self-destructiveness, not the slightest idea how to manage money, and death in their forties, their voices irreparably damaged. Whitney held out until 48, four years longer than Billie.

[quote]She had a gift, a marginal talent of how to use it. She was also boring asf.

Again, people can't seem to separate the artist from the person. The Whitney that was presented to us was a marketable record label creation, made to be safe, accessible, and yes, at times boring. She applied her skill as they advised her too, that has little to do with the full range of actual talent she possessed. When she finally had freedom and latitude to do what she chose, her personal life struggles had taken over.

Whitney started in the mid 80s power-ballad era as a young black girl targeted at white audiences. The fact that she made a huge dent in music in that climate just goes to show how amazingly gifted she was.

Aye. Whether in life or death is no matter. They build them up just to tear them down later.

This is one of my favorite Whitney performances. All the Man I Need.

I love Fiona Apple, but the above posters are correct: apples and oranges. Both can be talented and moving in different ways.

Fiona Apple w/Elvis Costello, I Want You.

Totally different from WH, but very moving and an amazing performance.

Whitney could make any song sound great, even that piece of shit You Light Up My Life

[quote] I know this sounds crazy but I wish Whitney had married someone like Arsenio Hall. They could have given each other the space to do whatever they wanted.

Think of all the beautiful children with triangle heads they would have had!

Who keeps saying her 80s and early 90s music was "beautiful?" Her voice was beautiful and she looked beautiful. But the actual music itself was generic light pop ballads and overproduced dance songs that really could have gone to anyone. "Love Is A Contact Sport", "Love Will Save The Day" and "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" were so cliche of the era. I don't think she was singing beautifully written masterpieces at all. She really got the short end of the stick for her level of talent. I think Cher, Sade, Tina Turner, Taylor Dayne, Vanessa Williams, Janet, Madonna and Anita Baker all got stronger material that gave them an identity. My Love Is Your Love is when Whitney started finding her own sound rather than being just a pretty pageant singer or cover artist.

I Wanna Dance with Somebody is a great song because Whitney brought something special to it. exuberance and sheer joy shine through. There's a reason it's been used for Pose and Love, Simon and many advertisements.

Nobody can sing like Whitney. It's laughable to think that reality TV competition singers have done a better job of something like I Have Nothing than Whitney. Whenever anyone tried to sing a Whitney song on American Idol, I just rolled my eyes. They never succeeded to match Whitney. Never.

Even so, R159, she took that material and made it all distinctly her own, achieving enormous success, and winning numerous awards. She was a Pop recording artist. Her music and sound were extremely popular among the music buying populace. She was a worldwide superstar. Why try to minimize her impact now? You don't make good sense because while you're so concentrated on outlining bs detractions, you conveniently ignore the factual evidence of her rare and unique singing talent. No. She didn't do some things the others did, but neither could those others could compete with her strengths. The ignorance of your several posts harping is acutely indicative of your unqualified criticisms. Just sayin!

Whitney was over the music business by the late 90's. That's when she started sporadically mentioning in interviews her fantasy to leave showbiz behind and go open a store or a fruit stand. She was unprepared for the enormous success of the Bodyguard. As was stated in one of her documentaries, prior to that she was still able to go shopping and not really get noticed. After that movie, she couldn't go anywhere.

Resigning with Arista in 2002 was a mistake. She was deep in her drug addiction and was in no shape to promote, barely in any shape to record. She would have been better off pulling an Anita Baker and taking a long hiatus from music to concentrate on her daughter. Then coming back possibly in about a decade, decade and a half.

[quote] That ONE song propelled the soundtrack.

Wrong. I Have Nothing and I'm Every Woman were also hits off the soundtrack. Try again.

R161 Not disagreeing her talent and ability to interpret elevated the material to a higher plane of existence. But the music itself was still cliche and outside of her vocals, the songs were nothing special. This resulted in an uneven discography and Whitney got a lot of hate for her material and its association with over-the-top sentimentalism. Pop music is a vast category, it does not need to be disposable but most companies prefer a short-term profit. I think Whitney could have been capable of going further out of her comfort zone and take risks but was just used to letting others make the call for her. It's fun to think what could have been.

R164, in my opinion, of the big four divas, Madonna is the only one who had consistently great songs. The other three had some great songs for sure but not nearly as many. Whitney did manage to transcend mediocre material much more than Celine did (whose voice seems to make the bad material stick out even more).

R163 and Queen of the Night and Run to You-what was that other dude thinking, one hit song?

That interview captures the moment when everything was 'turning' for the bad. Her voice is phlegmy and hoarse. She's rail-thin.

R166, my bad, forgot those others, but yes, a total of five hits. I have no clue what that other guy was talking about, he was clearly confusing it with the Titanic Soundtrack.

R142 A niche artist with her own loyal following. She should have been like Nancy Wilson or Barbara Streisand. Elegant and catering to the Adults.

I think she might have been better off if she had done like Adele has. Have long periods between albums and largely disappear/take things easy in between.

[quote]I Have Nothing and I'm Every Woman were also hits off the soundtrack. Try again.

They were hits, but IWALY was that rare juggernaut that few artists can achieve.

It definitely propelled the movie, soundtrack and Whitney all to another level.

[quote] They were hits, but IWALY was that rare juggernaut that few artists can achieve.

Yes, but that poster was basially claiming IWALY was the only hit off the album just like the Titanic soundtrack/Let's Talk about Love. Which isn't true.

Bobby Brown really dug shit out of her crack-addicted ass? NASTY

Hey, it was his prerogative.

Whitney’s autopsy is an interesting read.

Among some of the findings: she had mild emphysema, a 60% occluded right coronary artery, a perforated nasal septum (from cocaine abuse), breast implants, uterine fibroids, no upper teeth (replaced with a full maxillary prosthesis and dental implants), resuscitation injuries from CPR and defibrillator pads, weighed 151 pounds, had a sewn-in brown wig, and had no tattoos.

Toxicology found cocaine, marijuana, Flexeril, Xanax, and Benadryl.

Exhaustion is real. Please give generously.

Her songs are used on movies and shows now because she’s DEAD and her estate sells them for dirt cheap. Artists who are alive charge a shit ton of money to have their songs played. So they aren’t played as much in movies and shows. Too expensive.

Aside from her voice which she didn’t have the talent to use correctly, she was mediocre. She could never sing a song like, as was mentioned, Criminal, or thousands of others. But so many can sing her songs equally or better despite the stan who rolls his eyes. Jennifer Hudson has more power.

R178 t was my understanding that she didn't write songs and therefore doesn't credit when her songs are played. Is that incorrect?

R179 Her songs were sold cheaper because she’s dead. Whoever is trying to capitalize on her death. I Want To Dance With Somebody was a forgotten song until after her death.

It is true that Whitney's catalogue was doing horribly until her death (except for IWALY). Her death really resurrected her music. Now, I Wanna Dance with Somebody is massive on spotify.

R181 Exactly. Death does that. Plus, when you only have a few big songs it is easy to get massive streaming numbers. Artists with more hits, esp older artists, it isn’t as easy because there’s so many hits the numbers get spread out.

R179 The singer still usually gets paid a royalty, it is just the writer gets paid a larger royalty. So when people would buy or stream I Will Always Love You, Whitney(now Whitney's Estate), gets a small share, but Dolly get's a bigger share.

Good find #175. No upper teeth- with all that money? Sounds like meth.

[quote]But so many can sing her songs equally or better despite the stan who rolls his eyes. Jennifer Hudson has more power.

I liked her acting. Maybe if she had done more acting she could have had more structure and not devolved as much.

The teeth thing bothers me and makes me wonder how she lost the top row. In her younger days, she had one of the most beautiful smiles ever.

Her acting was shallow and wooden.

Why is Cissy acting like everything is fine when Whitney is high on crack on national TV?

I remember her teeth being discussed here after her interview with Oprah in 2009 for the comeback album. It was apparent something had changed, at that time most people thought she had a full set of dentures.

From this point until her death I just felt sad that she spent so many years fighting demons. She said she hated being famous from the moment her career took off, and she could not keep up with the expectations people had for her.

Michael Jackson died shortly before Whitney released her last album; she said the last time she spoke to him was during the 2005 trial.

So she supported a pedophile. Great woman!

^Some people did not believe that about MJ.

R193 Ummm fucking IDIOTS!

[quote]^Some BLACK people did not believe that about MJ.

Fixed.

R195 In my experience the people who supported MJ were about 50% white people who I'm fairly certain are "woke" now.

Many of MJ's European fans flew to Santa Barbara to support him during his trial, picketing the courthouse like he was a civil rights leader. It's stupid to pretend like it was only Black people who didn't believe the allegations.

R196 Cunt don’t even try to bring WOKENESS into this. MOST people knew MJ was guilty you fucker. Fuck off. No current day WOKE people think he was innocent.

Wow...that BET speech at r190 is saaaaaad. Never heard the whole thing until now. You really think she's high there? Maybe. She's energetic that's for sure.

But that weird-ass clapping for Bobby? WTF was that?

Even Bobbi K was looking at her mother like "what are you trying to prove?" Her bellowing "PEACE!" was lame, not cool. But I guess her black peers approved of her being more ghetti/messy/gangsta or whatever.

If she'd been more of a Linda Eder level of successful her life may have worked out.

Creepy to say this but thanks for summarizing her toxicology report. I never knew for sure whether she did have coke and pot in her system until now. So she never got clean... :(

Was cause of death drowning or drugs though?

This was really depressing to watch.

R190 I love how she says Hallelujah at 2:00

Whitney was obnoxious when she started doing that awful, self-righteous boasting about her faith. Like in that BET awards trainwreck speech where she boasts about her "love of WORSHIP". She was just an undereducated religious hypocrite who thought that her faith made her a better and superior person. She was just a black version of a fundie frau cunt.

The same type of people who now believe Jussie Smollett is innocent, are the same types who thought Michael Jackson was not guilty.

Whitney was a pop and ballad-heavy type of singer. Her recording of “I Will Always Love You” was her pinnacle and that was the style of performance people wanted from her. Her “My Love Is Your Love” album was a misstep, and her career declined rapidly after that. She was never going to be able to do “urban” music as well as someone like Beyoncé or Alicia Keys.

R184 She knocked her teeth out with a hammer and nail. She took too much drugs that her nose is ruined, hair is gone and have no teeth left. Her life was very dark the last part of her life.

Nick Gordon, who Whitney Houston "adopted", was an errand boy to deliver drug to her, according to Bobbi Brown. You can also watch the video of Whitney barging in Clive Davis interview before she died. She handed Brandy a note and Clive kept saying, "you have to pay him tribute". Then she died at a tub. There are some theories about her money and drug trouble online. It was really dark.

[quote]Was cause of death drowning or drugs though?

The cause is listed as accidental drowning, with contributing factors of cocaine use and atherosclerotic heart disease.

[quote]“I Will Always Love You” was her pinnacle and that was the style of performance people wanted from her. Her “My Love Is Your Love” album was a misstep, and her career declined rapidly after that.

Its been said over and over in this thread, the sappy ballad performer style was off trend by the late 90s. Mariah and Whitney were in the same boat and had to do the reverse crossover. Mariah was more successful at it. To compare Whitney with Beyonce and Alicia makes no sense, they did not debut as solo artists until years after My Love Is Your Love.

Whitney's reunion with her friend El DeBarge who also had a sad drug history.

R207 You are so wrong. Yes, the 90s Ballards were fading from popularity but that doesn't mean she couldn't still do it. If she wanted to appeal to ghetto simple low brow dummies then yes, sure, BUT what you're not comprehending is that it still didn't work out for her. Her career still flopped. Where as, if she became a Linda Eder, or Streisand, or even a fucking Amy Grant type she would have done so much better. Even look at Vanessa Williams career. You don't get it. EVERYTHING after that "My love" album failed buddy. It was over. Get it through your head. Even Celine still toured and did a residency singing "schlock" well into the early 2010s. I know young people who were still going to Celine concerts as recently as 2011 and the reviews were always that she was angelic and ethereal and they loved it. Exactly what Whitney was supposed to be doing. So what are you talking about? The album was trash, her vocals were trash and it only got worse from there. I even remember when "Try It On My Own" was released. I was like 20 or something and everyone in my peer group only got excited for that song at first because it sounded like "old Whitney." I remember exactly those words being said in the conversation. Of course once we actually listened to it, the vocals were trash and the lyrics were ghetto. Face it, she dropped the ball big time. She never should have catered to the poor urban market. They don't even have money to spend like that. She should have stayed in the David Foster world. Hell, even Jim Brickman! They always have some shows going on and it's low key and sophisticated. And if she hated being famous so much then shouldn't have cared about making music to stay popular with the young and dumb and whoever. She should've stayed with the rich white people. PERIOD.

R209 I think the vocals were good, they remind me of Christina Aguilera's.

I will always remember the way the pallbearers lifted Whitney and her coffin onto their shoulders, carrying her as the queen she was and always will be. I was watching the funeral live with my mother, and when they lifted her, we BOTH gay gasped! I pray she and her daughter are at peace.

R410 And to me, that is a terrible comparison to be made. I think Aguilera has one of thee WORST voices of all time. So, maybe that explains my aversion to that song. Haha.

[quote] You don't get it. EVERYTHING after that "My love" album failed buddy.

You seem to be clueless as to why everything failed after that album. It really had nothing to do with the music. It was after "My Love" that she was exposed as having drug issues. The revelations of her being a druggie completely flipped the media-crafted image of her being "innocent". That's what killed her career, not the music.

^^^It was the music. Accept it.

Poor thing, she wasn't thinking at all, she had at least some fifteen years of drug use behind her by that point.

She lost her voice and couldn’t sing. That's why she resorted to urban R&B tracks that didn't require much vocal skill.

[quote]Its been said over and over in this thread, the sappy ballad performer style was off trend by the late 90s. Mariah and Whitney were in the same boat and had to do the reverse crossover.

Oh really? Because Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" was on top of the charts for the entire year of 1998.

My Heart Will Go On was the last big sappy ballad to rule the charts. By 1999 and 2000, those songs were no longer popular. Music was moving away from that.

What show did she say, “HELL TO THE NO!”?

^ Being Bobby Brown. If anything killed her career And image it was that show.

“My Love Is Your Love” was one of her most critically acclaimed albums to date. That racist flyover cunt CristalConnors is talking out of her ass.

Critically acclaimed because Clive paid for it and they needed the hype that Whitney was BACK. haha. Which she clearly wasn't. Long gone was the elegant, sophisticated, poised, articulate refined beauty never to return. You do realize that drugs fries your brain right? Haha. You keep talking out of your ass though. I'm not racist. I'm mad at Whitney. I wanted more beauty and light and songs about love, hope, and romance. Not her credit card being wiped out because of a trifling ass n*gga and him running around town giving out his dick. It all started at the Soul Train awards when those fucking bullies booed her. Oh made they sure to destroy her. Whitney didn't understand she wasn't meant to relate to them. Combined with frying your brain almost everyday. She had warped sense of self. She even said in the Oprah interview 2009 pretty much. And she was too old then to really make a change. She was even kind of delusional in the end there. I'm also mad she didn't use more of her upper Soprano register. This song is a great underrated track. One of my favorites. She still had it here. A shame all the beautiful music that could have been. But, I believe she made it to Heaven and everything has been restored. This world is only temporary after all.

So did she fall and was knocked out and that is how she drowned?

Whitney did seem overcome with emotion to see El DeBarge. His voice is still in shape here.

She reportedly git into some argument/fight with a younger women the night before she died. He was supposedly saying something like " Don't fuck with me, I'm a cougar, bitch!" Lolol. Anyone remember this?

Yes, she was hanging out with Ray J, brother of Brandy. That was really odd as well.

R222 She was so high she pretty much passed out. They said if didn't happen in the tub she would have woken up later probably.

[quote] I'm mad at Whitney. I wanted more beauty and light and songs about love, hope, and romance. Not her credit card being wiped out because of a trifling ass n*gga and him running around town giving out his dick.

But wasn't that her reality at the time married to Bobby? That's why MYIYL is her most critically acclaimed album: she was finally singing about something with substance that she was currently experiencing! It was Whitney Houston doing Hip Hop Soul (a la Mary J. Blige), and she pulled it off brilliantly because the songs she was singing about were her reality at the time. You want the Greatest Love of All, girl-next-door, SugarPop, Reagan-era Whitney, we get it. In the 80s, Whitney was considered corny and boring from her first two studio albums. MYIYL wasn't the first time she moved over to an edgier R&B sound, she did it first with I'm Your Baby Tonight. Doing edgier R&B wasn't foreign to her.

Whitney lived the life of a blues and rock and roll artist. I prefer artists to sing grittier music that reflects their life than fairy tale pop ballads that tug on my heartstrings.

Sorry, I meant MLIYL for My Love Is Your Love, not MYIYL. 😫

I also remember that she was using some kind of very slippery oil in the water to soften her skin. I do remember people criticizing Clive D. for not cancelling that party.

Famed forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht believes she became unconscious first and stumbled or fell into the tub. The water was extremely hot and he does not believe she was sitting in it and then passed out and drowned.

[quote]Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht said he does not fully concur with the final anatomical diagnoses on Houston, noting that the water in her tub at the Beverly Hilton was extremely hot at 93.5 degrees. He believes this indicates that Houston was not sitting in her tub, and somehow accidentally drowned. "I think that she fell into this very hot water, that accounts for a little bruise that was seen in the left forehead area, some other pressure markings on the face, including the slight laceration of the lip, and the fact that she is lying face down," Wecht told ABC News. "I think that this lady fell into the water, she was unconscious, dead or dying when she fell into the tub. "I do not believe that the death was due to drowning," he added, "although I cannot rule out that she could've been in the agonal moments and with her head submerged in water that certainly could have contributed to her death."

Didn't they also find a half-eaten cheeseburger by the tub? So she was eating cheeseburgers while in the tub?

GURL....

R230- Thank you for the response. There was talk of this possibly being a murder at the time.

Wasn't that boy (the one Bobbi Kristina dated) who lived with them found to be really shady? I think he even ended up on Dr. Phil.

R233- Yes!! Oh my, but was he falling down drunk on that show! Fantabulous shit show!

R234, yes, there it is! Is it true that he murdered Bobbi Kristina?

R234, oh shit, he died two years ago from an overdose!

R235- Yes, most people thought he killed her. R236- I want aware that he died.

He sounds guilty...

[quote] No criminal charges were filed against Gordon, but he was found legally responsible for Brown’s death in a civil case and in 2016, was ordered to pay $36 million to the estate of his late girlfriend. Gordon failed to appear for two hearings in the civil case in Brown’s death, and her family won by default.

R238- I think he probably did kill her, but at the very least he was guilty of failure to render aid.

Wasn't there also a white boy in Atlanta that Bobbi dated at one point but he was still hanging out with her and Nick and was there when she died?

[quote]noting that the water in her tub at the Beverly Hilton was extremely hot at 93.5 degrees

93.5 F or 93.5 C?

[quote] Didn't they also find a half-eaten cheeseburger by the tub? So she was eating cheeseburgers while in the tub?

Sounds pretty good, frankly.

Seeing how beautiful she was and her life ended is still pretty saddening.

Let's hope in the future people would remember her more as a singer than an addict.

Love her.

"It's a bit sad 'cause I think she's a terrific singer. But somehow after the first single from that second album, the light went out of her eyes and it hasn't come back yet. She's like 26 or something and she's suddenly turned into this very tired-looking 37-year-old." (Elvis Costello, interview in Musician, March 1989)

I sometimes wonder if people who are as talented as Whitney need the casting couch? Maybe that's why the light went out R245?

R246 She has never done that. It is the opposite for her. It is unbelievably easy for her to make it. Her mother is a background singer for Elvis. Her cousin is a global mega star. Her family has connections to the most powerful agency (such as Clive Davis). And on top of that, she could easily be one of the most beautiful women.

It is like everything has been handed to her. She was famous overnight after her first song. She never has the struggle to make it as some singers such as Mariah and Madonna does. Maybe that's why she has that downfall.

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R247 The ones that don't have to struggle to get there, struggle once they get there. In country music, Lorrie Morgan is similar. She was talented and beautiful, and was born connected to the industry through her parents. She had some success, but her personal life, marriages and drug use, kept her from the reaching the heights she should have.

Interesting to hear Elvis Costello already could tell something was up. People probably thought he was just hating.

Yeah, that was a very shrewd reading. And she was actually 25 at that time.

Clive is such a fucking hypocrite.

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